"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
11/17/2016 at 16:46 • Filed to: Lets no places
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"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
11/17/2016 at 16:46 • Filed to: Lets no places | 0
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Toyota just unveiled a car. The car is called the C-HR or something, I don’t know. Anyway, it competes with the equally terribly named Honda HR-V. So now you have a choice to drive around in something that reminds you that you need to watch your ass around the workplace (see HR) or something that you should talk to a doctor about (Heart Rate Variability)
The Toyota version of this concentrated marketing effort is wrapped around a not altogether unattractive package. Inside “the new hotness” (according to Toyota) is a naturally aspirated 2.0 I4 with a finger numbing 144 hp and 140 lbs-ft channeled to all the front gyrators* through a transmission that continually changes its mind. The transmission received much attention from engineers, according to the press release and features things.
*Correct, FWD.
The differential is preloaded so you don’t have to do it later and this surprises athletes I suppose.
The chassis was tuned on some German racetrack which, according to the release, “took a mix of innovation, creativity, and trial and error”
To help feel grounded to the ground connected to the road, engineers have strategically placed an electric motor between the gyrators and steering hoop to simulate the sensation of steering.
This “Coupe High Rider” (No, I’m seriously not making that up) is apparently “Exciting, Stylish and Athletic.”
To learn more, !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! .
TheTurbochargedSquirrel
> HammerheadFistpunch
11/17/2016 at 16:49 |
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Toyotas design team needs to be taken into a dark room and beaten.
interstate366, now In The Industry
> HammerheadFistpunch
11/17/2016 at 16:49 |
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While neither of these are indeed great names, in Honda’s defense, the HR-V was a name that had been used before in Japan and Europe.
jkm7680
> HammerheadFistpunch
11/17/2016 at 16:53 |
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ew
-me
sm70- why not Duesenberg?
> HammerheadFistpunch
11/17/2016 at 16:53 |
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At the same time, Honda revealed a new compact-er compact crossover called the WR-V. I am not making this up.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> sm70- why not Duesenberg?
11/17/2016 at 16:56 |
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huh, what does WRv mean?
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interstate366, now In The Industry
> sm70- why not Duesenberg?
11/17/2016 at 16:57 |
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The Honda Wave Riding Vehicle
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sm70- why not Duesenberg?
> HammerheadFistpunch
11/17/2016 at 16:58 |
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You mean it’s supposed to mean something?
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HammerheadFistpunch
> interstate366, now In The Industry
11/17/2016 at 16:58 |
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I suppose its true. Riding the profitable wave of compact crossovers.
GhostZ
> HammerheadFistpunch
11/17/2016 at 17:09 |
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Chris and Harvey.
Wacko
> HammerheadFistpunch
11/17/2016 at 17:09 |
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This car looks like a Chinese copy of a juke, but a bad ugly copy.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> GhostZ
11/17/2016 at 17:10 |
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Those two are so cute together.
Textured Soy Protein
> sm70- why not Duesenberg?
11/17/2016 at 17:10 |
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That WR-V looks like an outbacktified (crosstrektified?) Fit to me.
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Textured Soy Protein
> HammerheadFistpunch
11/17/2016 at 17:11 |
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So basically Toyota made a Nissan Juke.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> Wacko
11/17/2016 at 17:12 |
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I don’t mind the looks terribly (at least it doesn’t look like “generic
crossver
#12") but
whats
the point of a “high rider” with FWD and a “coupe” with 4 doors and a hatch?
To be fair it was a last minute decision to bring it to North America as it was primarily designed for Europeans who like small not coupe not crossovers I guess.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> Textured Soy Protein
11/17/2016 at 17:13 |
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Ayup.
Probenja
> interstate366, now In The Industry
11/17/2016 at 17:14 |
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Yes, and it stands for “Hi-rider Revolutionary Vehicle”
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sm70- why not Duesenberg?
> Textured Soy Protein
11/17/2016 at 17:17 |
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It is
IanZ - limited-slip indifferential
> sm70- why not Duesenberg?
11/17/2016 at 17:20 |
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That is...an eyesore to say the least.
Cé hé sin
> HammerheadFistpunch
11/17/2016 at 17:21 |
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“Inside “the new hotness” (according to Toyota) is a naturally aspirated 2.0 I4 with a finger numbing 144 hp and 140 lbs-ft channelled to all the front gyrators* through a transmission that continually changes its mind.”
Never mind. It’s also available with a gearbox which does precisely what its owner wants.
No diesel, oddly for a car this size.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> Cé hé sin
11/17/2016 at 17:26 |
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not in the US I guess.
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Cé hé sin
> HammerheadFistpunch
11/17/2016 at 17:34 |
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Nope.
Toyota have said that they’re not going to develop any more diesels and will instead rely on BMW units or hybrids, depending on model. The HCRVH whatsit is the first to take the hybrid route.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> Cé hé sin
11/17/2016 at 17:36 |
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no, I mean about the trans, but interesting about the diesel...because I keep hearing rumors of diesel trucks on the horizon here in the US
BIGBLOCK472 - wide and bizarre
> HammerheadFistpunch
11/17/2016 at 17:55 |
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I *might* commute in that if it were a hybrid but if it’s gonna be boring it better be efficient.
bhtooefr
> HammerheadFistpunch
11/17/2016 at 17:56 |
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From the link:
The WR-V stands for “Winsome Runabout Vehicle,”
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HammerheadFistpunch
> bhtooefr
11/17/2016 at 18:00 |
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Well, you winsome, you losesome
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HammerheadFistpunch
> BIGBLOCK472 - wide and bizarre
11/17/2016 at 18:00 |
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it will get a hybrid.
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bhtooefr
> Cé hé sin
11/17/2016 at 18:02 |
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Surprised that they’re not launching the hybrid in the US, and that the US-market 2.0 isn’t getting an AWD option. Not surprised at all that the 2.0 is CVT-only in the US.
The European market engines are usually a 1.2T (115 hp/136 lb-ft) with manual or CVT in FWD, or CVT in AWD, and a 1.8 hybrid (same as the Prius, so 121-122 hp depending on whether you use actual hp, or PS) in FWD.
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bhtooefr
> HammerheadFistpunch
11/17/2016 at 18:05 |
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This is a class that’s taking off for other models, too, though (the lack of AWD is odd, though, as the car supports it, and has AWD in the 1.2T CVT model in Europe). Seems you can sell a hatchback to Americans if you just lift it 2-4" and ruggedize the styling. Or, as Mercedes is showing with the GLA class, where it’s literally lower than some competing hatchbacks, you can just ruggedize the styling and call it a crossover.
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bhtooefr
> HammerheadFistpunch
11/17/2016 at 18:05 |
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In Europe, anyway... they didn’t announce one for here. (It’s the Gen 4 Prius’s powertrain, for what it’s worth.)
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HammerheadFistpunch
> bhtooefr
11/17/2016 at 18:06 |
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Saw a GLA45 AMG yesterday. 100% hatch.
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Cé hé sin
> bhtooefr
11/17/2016 at 18:24 |
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I supppose fuel prices in America are so low that they wouldn’t bother with a hybrid.
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bhtooefr
> Cé hé sin
11/17/2016 at 18:33 |
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And Prius sales in the US market are absolutely dreadful compared to previous Priuses because of either that or the styling (depending on who you ask)... but then RAV4 hybrids are selling fairly well for what they are, I thought...
I’m thinking it’s a perfect storm, really. The Prius has approximately three main customer bases in the US - those who want to signal their virtue to the world, efficiency enthusiasts, and appliance buyers who want better mileage and cargo versatility than a Corolla. Problem is, EVs are better at virtue signalling, they’re more efficient, and appliance buyers aren’t buying cars any more, they’re buying crossovers.
TylerLinner
> BIGBLOCK472 - wide and bizarre
11/18/2016 at 12:13 |
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If you’re looking for something efficient, a crossover is not the ideal starting point...
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BIGBLOCK472 - wide and bizarre
> TylerLinner
11/18/2016 at 15:14 |
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I agree with you, but I have a hard time calling the CHR a crossover. The same goes for whatever that Mercedes/Infiniti botched abortion is called ...the QXwhatever.
I can see certain groups of people trading a tiny bit of fuel economy for a better step in height while still wanting a hybrid though. I am not one of them (yet) but my knees ain’t getting any younger.
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TylerLinner
> BIGBLOCK472 - wide and bizarre
11/18/2016 at 15:31 |
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If it helps, this is basically my way of determining if it’s a crossover.
1. Does it share doors with a sedan ?
2. Is it a
minivan
?
3. Is it body-on-frame ?
If all answers are no, it’s probably a crossover.
If 1 is yes, it’s a hatchback or wagon. If 3 is yes, it’s an SUV.
Cheers :)
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BIGBLOCK472 - wide and bizarre
> TylerLinner
11/18/2016 at 16:10 |
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That’s a pretty awesome questionnaire.
Aaron B.
> HammerheadFistpunch
11/19/2016 at 10:27 |
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I know that put the rear door handles up high for styling, but its stupid. Most of the people that buy these will have small children (or else they’d need a bigger one). Putting the door handles that high means you’ll have to get out and open the door for them every time. Would make car lines at school fun.
If anything put these lower than the front.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> Aaron B.
11/19/2016 at 10:30 |
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This was actually made for single people according to Toyota
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Aaron B.
> HammerheadFistpunch
11/19/2016 at 10:36 |
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Publicly, yes. That’s the image they want to project because “I really should drive a family car/ minivan” is not something buyer’s egos will allow. We both know who will actually buy these.
How’d I end up gray?
Tapas
> HammerheadFistpunch
11/21/2016 at 14:44 |
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Soon, we’ll be able to buy the same damn car that gradually morphs into something taller and shittier.
Civic Type R, Civic, C-HR-V, HRV, CRV, Ridgeline
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Tapas
> Aaron B.
11/21/2016 at 14:45 |
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Well obviously, Honda wants my (imaginary) child to drive instead of me.
Come to think of it, she kicked ass in Forza (still imagining this)so I have nothing to worry about.
Nibby
> HammerheadFistpunch
12/05/2016 at 15:05 |
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Looks like it is designed to keep single people single.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> Nibby
12/05/2016 at 15:07 |
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No couple, no family. No family more money for lease payments
